October 3, 2012

  • Biblical Contradiction #45 (How Did Judas Die?)

    #17 – One Thief is Two Thieves: How Many Thieves Accepted Christ? << Previous | MASTER LIST


    Originally posted July 7, 2012.

    YOU LOOK FAMILIAR
    If you’re just coming into my series on Biblical Contradictions from my Master List post, you might have noticed that this is item #45, but it’s actually only my third post so far. I decided to tackle the matter about Judas’ death next for a couple of reasons: 1) The answer is really easy to get to, and 2) it’s a rather well-known topic amongst critics (apparently). It’s also generally known among Christians that Judas died shortly after having betrayed Jesus in the Garden of Gethsemane. So familiarity seemed like a good reason.

    As you may know, I’m working on answering the 46 proposed contradictions referenced in this YouTube video (with a few more of my own to be added). The Bible is many things – a deep reference to God’s character, a history book, a moral foundation, a book of prophesies, encouragement, admonishment, a scientific reference, and most importantly, the source of hope for the human race: the promise of God’s Salvation through Jesus Christ. The amazing thing is that it is a multi-faceted book that is woven together very tightly.

    Tightly woven or not, making sense of His written Word is no easy task in many cases; and the cases that are simple don’t always seem to make much sense when compared one to another. That’s what I’m attempting to do in this series – to offer answers and clarification so you can make a better-informed decision about the credibility of the Bible and what it has to say about you and God.

    THE IDIOT’S GUIDE TO DYING TWICE
    So, what’s the deal with Judas’ death? Well, the question is concerning how the Bible depicts how he actually died. Was it from a suicidal hanging or a long plummet to the ground? With rare exception, everyone only dies once (only two people in history never died). So how could Judas, of all people, die twice? This is definitely a matter that appears to contradict logic and basic biological fact.

    Now, let’s examine the evidence.

    And the first part of an investigation is to understand the context the evidence is found in. Always examine the surrounding context (if you’re not familiar with my writing, I’m huge on context). For there is something far more important than simply addressing the supposed contradiction…more important than discussing how Judas died: the why. Thus, I’ll be combining the hermeneutical and more personal Biblical study approaches. I’ll explain towards the end how this culminates to an important point.

    MY NIGHT-VISION GOGGLES ARE BROKEN
    Before Judas’ death is mentioned, we see that many of the Jewish priests were plotting to murder Jesus [1]. This isn’t the first time any conspiracy against Jesus was attempted, but things really began to take root now. After a woman named Mary (there sure are a lot of Marys in the Bible) anoints Jesus’ feet with expensive oil perfume, Judas secretly goes off to the priests, unaware of their own plot:

    Then one of the twelve, whose name was Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests and said, “What will you give me if I deliver him over to you?” And they paid him thirty pieces of silver. And from that moment he sought an opportunity to betray Him.
    (Matthew 26:14-16 ESV)

    This is a subtle point in the story, but it’s important to recognize. Judas was the guy in charge of the group’s finances. He carried the money bag around (as we see in John 12:6). Despite the three years of walking around with Jesus and seeing all the awesome things He did, Judas was still more concerned about himself. Jesus already knew how Judas’ betrayal would play a part as the event unfolded – He even foretold it [2]. So the evening when Jesus identified who would betray Him, He tells Judas to go do what he had planned to do and to do it quickly (much to the confusion of the other Disciples), and off Judas went to gather up a mob and wait for the chance to betray and arrest Jesus.

    Fast-forward through that night and we find Jesus and the Disciples in the Garden of Gethsemane. After praying through blood, sweat, and tears (literally)…

    [...] Judas came, one of the twelve, and with him a great crowd with swords and clubs, from the chief priests and the elders of the people. Now the betrayer had given them a sign, saying, “The one I will kiss is the Man; seize Him.” And he came up to Jesus at once and said, “Greetings, Rabbi!” And he kissed Him. Jesus said to him, “Friend, do what you came to do.” Then they came up and laid hands on Jesus and seized him [3].

    Stop and think for a moment. Imagine you are Judas. Imagine the plot you helped to plan. Imagine for a moment that you are a pawn in the priests’ scheme against Jesus (Luke 14:11), but you don’t yet realize just how deep you are in it. Up to this point, your heart is still filled with Satan’s influence [4] and are blinded to the pending consequences of your actions.

    Fast-forward some more, as a number of things have happened. After meeting with the high priests, Jesus was finally condemned to die.

    Then when Judas, [Jesus'] betrayer, saw that Jesus was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders (Matthew 27:3, ESV).

    COMING TO GRIPS WITH REALITY or WHEN REALITY COMES TO GRIPS WITH YOU
    I imagine that it was this moment that Judas suddenly realized scope of his sins; how they had done far more than Judas envisioned. That Judas changed his mind once it was revealed that the priests’ plot was to kill Jesus must have been like a knife to the heart, realizing that he was responsible for putting an innocent man – and he knew that Jesus was innocent – through an unjust trial that resulted in Jesus’ fate soon-to-come.

    Personally, I do not yet know just what motivated Judas (short of speculation) to plot to betray Jesus in the first place, but it seems very clear that this was not what he had in mind and grief would be an understatement to describe why Judas did what he would do next.

    Then when Judas, his betrayer, saw that Jesus was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” They said, “What is that to us? See to it yourself.” And throwing down the pieces of silver into the temple, he departed, and he went and hanged himself.
    (Matthew 27:3-5, ESV)

    FOR ONE LOW PRICE OF $19.99, YOU GET NOT ONE DEATH, BUT TWO! ACT NOW!
    The book of Acts starts out with the Disciples discussing who should replace Judas’ place as the 12th Disciple. A side-note is given regarding the matter of Judas’ death.

    Now this man acquired a field with the reward of his wickedness, and falling headlong he burst open in the middle and all his bowels gushed out (Acts 1:18, ESV).

    There are a few things I want to point out here.

    1. Acts 1:18 only describes that Judas’ body fell and broke open…disgustingly. It does not say that’s how he died.

    2. Given the insight we have on what led up to Judas’ suicide, in my opinion, Judas’ grief was deep enough that he saw fit to take his life – he essentially passed sentence on himself. This seems to me that the preparation needed to hang himself was a sign of him personally accepting his guilt rather than (for example) simply flinging himself off a cliff or other high place out of despair.

    3. Acts 1:19 – just one verse later – describes the place where Judas died as a field. Trees most likely occupy fields, which sets up the location and keeps in line with the description of Judas’ death in Matthew 27, thereby adding credibility to the non-contradiction of the matter of how Judas died.

    What I’m attempting to illustrate here is the reality of the guilt Judas must have faced as a result of his betrayal and the actions he took per the Bible’s description, thus giving credibility to the Matthew 27 account of his hanging as the sole method of his death.

    Where the proposed contradiction is concerned, we only need to look at just a few details to show the contradiction just isn’t so, however: 1) what each verse actually says, 2) the natural way of the body in decomposition, and/or the rope or branch breaking under Judas’ body’s weight, 3) what it would take for his body to burst open so violently.

    INVOLUNTARY CADAVER
    Let’s glance at Acts 1:19 really quick, for it clarifies something that happened right after Judas threw back the 30 silver coins. After describing that Judas’ body fell from a great height and burst open, it is added, “And it became known to all the inhabitants of Jerusalem, so that the field was called in their own language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.

    Earlier, in Matthew 27, we read:

    But the chief priests, taking the pieces of silver, said, “It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, since it is blood money.” So they took counsel and bought with them the potter’s field as a burial place for strangers. Therefore that field has been called the Field of Blood to this day. Then was fulfilled what had been spoken by the prophet Jeremiah, saying, “And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him on whom a price had been set by some of the sons of Israel, and they gave them for the potter’s field, as the Lord directed me.”

    Judas’ betrayal resulted in the priests using the blood money to buy the very field Judas hanged himself in. It was a field of blood because of the nature of the money used to buy it and because of how his body fell and burst open. This offers a distinction between the two accounts surrounding Judas’ death – one was his actual death (hanging), the other was the immediate aftermath (body splat).

    Acts 1 makes an assumption of logic: one doesn’t need to be hanging very high off the ground to commit suicide by hanging; just be high enough that the feet don’t touch the ground. And falling from a small height won’t cause his body to burst open. It’s certainly possible that death can occur from a great height, clearly, but all that Acts asserts is that Judas happened to be high enough off the ground that, when his body did fall (when gravity had its way), it was enough for the impact between his body and the ground to be rather…revealing.

    Thus, there isn’t a contradiction, but a very rational way for both accounts related to a singular event to co-exist harmoniously. Unfortunately, all this does is to prove the Biblical account of how he died…it doesn’t resolve the horrible way he chose to respond to his terrible mistake. Especially in light of the forgiveness He heard Christ offer to everyone. The same forgiveness he would have been given if he had only asked of it.

    FOOTNOTES
    [1] Matthew 26:3-5, Mark 14:1-2, Luke 22:1-2, & John 12:9-11
    [2] Matthew 26:20-25, Mark 14:17-21, John 13:21-30
    [3] Matthew 26:47-50, see also John 18:1-9 & 12
    [4] Luke 22:3 & John 13:27

    ADDITIONAL LINKS on Judas’ death
    Got Questions?
    C.A.R.M.

Comments (17)

  • I appreciate you giving the full context of the story. Good job!

  • @musterion99 - Gladly, and thank you. :) I wasn’t sure how well mixing two types of Biblical study (interpretation + application) would work – I was afraid I might get it all muddled up. Hopefully the two approaches compliment each other. 

  • @Celestial_Teapot : Here’s the case about Judas’ death, as promised. Granted, it’s an in-depth expansion of the C.A.R.M. article, which I recall you didn’t find convincing, but perhaps my added thoughts might compel you otherwise. What do you think, good sir?

  • I haven’t read the rest of the series but I did read this one as I was not aware that people considered it to be contradictory. Guess I kind of looked at it as if someone who fell, while living, would not have their guts explode on impact due to the membranes and what not on the inside. However, once death has set in, and a certain amount of decomposition, the body can rather… well, explode, when poked, prodded, or rot itself out of a noose to fall and hit the ground.

  • @Lady_Kelacy - Pretty much the case. Obviously, Scripture doesn’t detail the biological aspect at length – probably because they just didn’t have knowledge of the actual details of post-mortem decomp – it’s far from being outside the realm of likelihood. Even if his body fell rather soon after he choked his last, a great enough height, I imagine, could still cause his body to break open. The Bible just doesn’t say how high he hung himself. But such assumptions don’t contradict what is told to us.

  • @Lady_Kelacy - (And there are only two other entries at present. The first being the case of the order of creation of the animals and Adam (Genesis 1 & 2) and the other regarding how long God’s anger lasts. I posted the former sometime in January last year and have just recently added the latter and this entry to the list. So you haven’t missed much.)

  • You do a awesome job with these! You have alot fo insight that some of us (cough cough) lack!  :)

  • @CuddlyKat - Thank you very much! :) I’m trying to address the topics I’m already familiar with, personally, so to give the best possible answers and trust less on my own understanding. The others – and there are several of them – will take much more study. That will probably result in a lull in the series when it comes time. Thankfully, I have my pastor(s) and several resources I know I can look into for help when the challenging topics are tackled.

    COMING SOON: Salvation by works or by faith?

  • @CuddlyKat - *pats your back* Cough drop? LOL

  • @Rhindon - I really appreciate all of the time and effort you are taking to do this! – When it comes to studying, man I just suck!  :)

  • @Rhindon - Haha yes please!!!  :)

  • Whatever else it is to you, the Bible is

    not

    a scientific reference. I don’t care if it’s the most important thing in the world to you, don’t misappropriate science for your purposes.

  • @Crossed_Out_Name – I’m curious. Do you know the definition of the word “science”?

  • @Rhindon - It seems like you want to supply me with a definition, like a condescending, victorious slap in the face, so please go ahead. We could each hit the dictionary and give one of several definitions, but it wouldn’t be very useful – or honest, in your case. I am a scientist. I study it, and more importantly practice it, almost every day of my life. You can’t adequately describe it with a couple dozen words. In fact, establishing criteria for the separation of science from pseudoscience is a central and on-going issue in the philosophy of science. But we needn’t even go down that road, as the the Bible simply does not meet the rigorous standards of modern science. It is patently unscientific. So before you drop your loaded response, consider that if you think knowing a definition means you know anything at all about real science, you’re going to appear quite foolish to anyone who does.

  • @Crossed_Out_Name - LOL Condescending is not my goal. Far from it. But I do believe you’re highly mistaken about your views on science in general. Indeed, if scientific studies of the world we live in is your thing, I have no doubt you’d school me on the details. Absolutely. I would not begin to contend you. But then, that isn’t my goal nor more point in the first place.

    See, one particular definition stands out to me just as several others relate to whatever particular field of science you’re in (what field do you study anyway? I’m honestly curious).

    1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.4. systematized knowledge in general.5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.6. a particular branch of knowledge.7. skill, especially reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.

    Definitions 1 through 6 would certainly relate to your field of study, I have no doubt. But we must take a closer look at what science is, both as a practice and as a word.
    See, I believe you’re identifying science as a practice, and it is definitely that, indeed. That’s the modern understanding. I don’t know if you’re aware or not – I’m not here to insult your intelligence – but, if not, science included philosophical studies, as well. In fact, the words “science” and “philosophy” were interchangeable. “Science”, as a word, had a more basic meaning of “knowledge”, and not simply the pursuit of it, as we commonly understand the word today.
    But in philosophical matters, there is also the pursuit of knowledge, and there are rigorous standards for discerning genuine truth just as there are in modern scientific studies today. Thus, when we examine Biblical matters, I can assure you, there is a scientific pursuit of truth…of knowledge and understanding. There are systematic studies to make sure the information is accurate – both theologically and when studying extraBiblical material.
    You must understand… I am not saying that the Bible is a modern-day science book that explains all the wonders of the world and how it works. The Bible is certainly not that kind of book. No more than a book on geology will explain theological matters. And yet, what we do find in the Bible are REFERENCES TO scientific truths. For example… Did you know that, in the book of Genesis, during the Great Flood story, there is a mentioning of deep water storehouses? People have often wondered for generations just where all the water could possibly come from to flood the WHOLE earth. How could that happen when the surface water only covers 2/3 of the surface? Well, it was discovered officially in the 1970s that there are, indeed, deep water wells that stored tons and tons of water. But the Bible already accounted for this thousands of years ago!

    To be sure, as I said, this isn’t a science book. The Bible doesn’t explain hardly ANY of scientific processes or facts it references, if at all. But what we see here is that the Bible remains factual to what we’ve only begun to discover is true after all centuries later! And that was my point for referring to the Bible as a scientific reference.

    So now I hope you see that I’m quite right. The definition was particularly important.

  • …Ugh. Science is a practice. That is the most important aspect of its mature, modern nature. Falsifiability and reproducibility are of the utmost importance, and the Bible doesn’t have this. I will concede the word had a very different meaning at one time – but to use it in its highly antiquated context now is simply misleading. Saying the Bible is scientific suggests that it constitutes science by the standards presently and commonly associated with the word – and it does not. To use the term is deceptive, and conscious or not, you are giving the Bible a credibility it never earned.

    But as you insist on calling the Bible a scientific reference, which churns my stomach in disgust…

    Your church believed the Earth was flat. That the solar system was geocentric. Long after scientific evidence suggested otherwise, even trying to suppress such evidence. Your Biblical creation story tells that the celestial bodies and living organisms on Earth appeared in an order patently contradictory to scientific evidence. I wonder why the Bible makes no mention of microorganisms? Indeed, the story of The Flood you bring up is laughably absurd. To this day, many Christians resist cosmology and evolution, as they are unpalatable to their belief system. The Bible does not foreshadow scientific evidence. It maddeningly resists it, until it can no longer do so, then turns on its heel, and insists that it knew it all along. In doing so, it always holds back scientific understanding, yet evades the consequences of its staggering wrongness. In Revelation 12:4, it reads that a third of the stars were swept out of the sky and flung to the Earth. Does this sound like the author had even the vaguest conception of what a star was? No, of course not.

    I can think of no greater obstacle to science than religion. So I get a bit upset when you try to use it – even the mere word – to affirm your position.

  • @Crossed_Out_Name - Isn’t the point of science, as a practice and regardless of the field, to seek knowledge and understanding? If you’re getting upset that I would use an “antiquated” (and still very applicable and accepted) definition suggests to me that the problem isn’t that I’m associating the Bible with science at all, but that you simply refuse to accept that the Bible makes VERY accurate scientific references.

    Now, it’s true, saying “scientific reference” might be a little misleading now that I stop to think about it. For, as I thought about how to reply, what came to my mind was like a “quick reference guide” that has all the answers readily at hand but without the in-depth explanations. True, the Bible is not THAT in regards to scientific STUDIES. Agreed. And yet it still is spot-on when it does make references to what we consider modern science today.

    Just about everything else you’ve said on the matter is simply inaccurate. You’re still hung-up on the PRACTICE aspect of science and dismissing that science also includes the “(seeking of) knowledge” part, too. You also seem to assume that those in the Biblical days didn’t have any sort of systematic scientific study guidelines at all. Either way, the one thing you don’t acknowledge is how the people in Biblical days could even have knowledge ABOUT things that weren’t even discovered until HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of years LATER! (That ought to churn MY stomach, but I’m not so stuck on anti-religion dogma.)

    It’s true that people in the Church did believe the earth was flat and the universe geocentric. I don’t know WHY these people did so – that just hasn’t come into my current realm of studies on Church history…maybe later. But let’s make a distinction: that’s what people later on in the Church believed. The BIBLE, however, maintained otherwise. Your guess is as good as mine why they apparently disregarded such things that were CLEARLY the truth as it was right there in the Bible – that the earth is round and the universe is NOT geocentric.

    You might want to check out these other scientific references found in the Bible. They’re clear as day.
    http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html

    Also, a great many Christians are responsible for the great advances in science. I’m becoming of the mind that your bias is clouding your judgment…

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