January 24, 2012

  • Unlawfully Informed?

    Originally written January 16, 2012.

    Wouldn’t you like to know the truth – the whole truth – before you go and do something highly dangerous and irreversable if something wrong (or even “right”)?

    A debate was held by AUL President & CEO Dr. Charmaine Yoest and Nancy Keenan of NARAL on the Fox News Channel (see video below). Before this video, I’ve only heard about the Texas law that mandated all women who are in line to receive an abortion must be informed about the risks of the abortion and condition of their baby growing inside them. So I did a little research on the issue. Here are some main points below (yes, I actually read the entire bill, but I do not presume to be an expert on the bill or the issue it addresses).

    • Abortion is not outlawed through this bill.
    • The State of Texas constitutionally recognizes the unborn child as a human being. (Sec 171.019.a.1)
    • Currently existing (aka pre-bill) standards for pre-abortion procedures are in adequate and risk the health and welfare of the woman. (Sec 171.019.a.2)
    • Prior to any and all abortions (a minimum of one hour), the doctor must counsel the woman to the facts and risks inherent to the abortion, as well as any alternatives, including information regarding her unborn child and the psychological and physical risks of undergoing an abortion. (Sec 171.019.a.3Sec 171.019.b.3)
    • Protect the life of the woman and, “to the extent constitutionally permissible”, the child. (Sec 171.019.b.1)
    • Raise the standard of conduct in abortion practices. (Sec 171.019.b.2)
    • An ultrasound must be given no less than an hour prior to the abortion procedure. (Sec 171.021.a)
    • In addition to the ultrasound, a comprehensive list of information regarding the abortion alternatives must be provided, including no-cost, non-abortion-related health services providers. Additionally, a state-sponsor web site must be provided and maintained with the same information provided in the printed material; it must be easily accessed, and with no personal information tracked, collected, or maintained, and all security measures in place to protect against unauthorized alterations of web site content. (Sec 171.021.a.1, 171.025)
    • On the same day of the abortion, but no less than one hour before the procedure, an ultrasound must be provided, with an understandable explanation and visual and audible presentation of the developing baby and its heartbeat (if possible during the current stage of development), all in real-time, by a certified doctor or ultrasound technician. (Sec 171.021.b.1 – 171.021.b.4)
    • After the ultrasound and before the abortion process, a form must be provided to and signed by the woman stating she was provided the chance to see, hear, and understand all that was involved with her baby through the ultrasound. The form is to be kept on record for five to seven years. (Sec 171.022.a.1 – 171.022.c.2)
    • The woman is free to choose to not watch the ultrasound and without penalty to the woman or the physician. (Sec 171.023)
    • Medical emergency exceptions to by-pass the above stipulations must be well documented within 7 days from the abortion and kept in the woman’s file for five to seven years. (Sec 171.024)
    • Any medical practitioner who knowingly violates the stipulations of this bill risk fines and the revocation of their medical license for each instance of a violation. (Sec 171.026)


    Link if video does not load: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVBCIVkdLDc.

    The reason I posted the highlights from the bill first was so that you could see for yourself what the bill actually proposed. Whether you are pro-life, pro-choice, or all-out pro-abortion, what you can see here is not a slant to any one view point, but an insistence that any woman seeking an abortion does so with all the relevant and viable facts about the potential choice she may make. I have read every word of this bill and not one word or message suggests a woman cannot get an abortion. As of this writing (January 21, 2012), I am unaware that Texas has issued an anti-abortion law, and this bill does not change the current reality on that matter.

Comments (13)

  • Very, very well said. I completely agree!! Perfectly said!

  • @Megabyyte - Thank you, Megan. And thank you for the rec.
    What thoughts of your own arise from this video, the bill, or my own comments?

  • It just makes SOO MUCH sense to be informed. I don’t think I could ever have an abortion, it just makes me sick to my stomach, but if I were too, ever, I’d want to be informed. I’d want to know the risks. 

    I really liked what Ms. Yoest said and I completely agree with her. I just don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to know everything. It’s not something to take lightly. I just never understood that. (well, I was “pro-choice” once upon a time, because I wasn’t thinking clearly, lol, but now.. I just don’t understand why you wouldn’t want to know all the risks and being informed. I totally agree that it’s in a woman’s best interest to know. And if she still wants to go through with it, at least she knows everything).

  • @Megabyyte - I hear you.
    What gets me is how Ms Keenan couldn’t argue anything beyond choice. Her argument about politicians and jobs was a complete failure to the point that it made absolutely not sense – I couldn’t figure out how it fit into the argument at all.
    If it’s choice that they want, then why are they complaining about this bill? It’s not stopping anything.

  • @Rhindon - Exactly, it’s just giving them more information on their choice, not taking the choice away in general. Goodness…..

  • Oh, sigh. As someone who as been there holding her family member’s hand during the procedure, you are misinformed. 
    The risks are discussed. Counsel is given. An ultrasound and the CHOICE to see it is given. Questions are answered in depth.

    Risks are given by every doctor for any procedure in all doctors offices. I am on medication right now that has a risk of severe birth defects, heart and liver problems, chrones disease, IBS, and so on. Yes, I take it.
    Every single minor surgery out there has risks, I guarantee you. Even oral surgery has a risk of hemorrhaging.
    Abortion is no different than these and the doc explained it all.

    btw, some of the above risks are a myth

  • As far as the emotional turmoil, I urge you to check out imnotsorry.net

  • @Megabyyte - ”it’s not something to be taken lightly” Exactly. In fact, it’s one of the most important decisions of a woman’s ENTIRE life. Perhaps the single most important decision. Do you honestly think that she will be going into this blindly, having no idea whats going to happen in there? No idea of the risks?
    When you go in for minor or routine surgery to you not care enough to ask about the risks involved? I don’t know, maybe you are different than me in this regard.

  • @confused@revelife - Some of the risks mentioned might very well be a myth – I’m no doctor, so I couldn’t say. They were listed, though, as possible risks (breast cancer, for example, as I’m sure you know).

    However, I have met people who did not know all the risks. Doctors had not given them all the info. I’m glad, so glad, that your family member was given all the needed info (very sad that she had an abortion anyway), but it’s a foolish assumption to think women are always informed. If that were the case, this bill would be rather on the redundant side.

    Similarly, there are women who have a great deal of emotional stress due to the fact that they do recognize their baby as a baby, yet face the fear and shame of unwed pregnancy. Depending on the woman, that stress can be quite monumental. Then there is the shame of having had an abortion at all for the same recognition. From the web site you sugggested, just by reading over the few entry lines, I see a lot of self-absorbed people who value their own choices (ie: sex before marriage) as more important than their own well being or the lives they hurt (or end, ie: the unborn baby). Truth be told, I have also met women who expressed great guilt over what they have done.

    The fact remains that this bill is highly important. As a result, upwards of 95% of women who have gone in for abortions choose to keep their baby. When confronted with the reality of the child inside them, there is a real emotional and medical reality that they can’t ignore. Given that this number has increased since the bill was passed, it’s reasonable to speculate that there was some level of understanding that the women did not have before. All the bill does is ensure that that understanding is given. Since the number of cancel abortioned has gone up, I think it’s safe to say that it’s likely these doctors and abortion providors have not been so forthcoming as you’d like to believe.

  • @Rhindon - neither of our accounts mean much because they are anecdotal. he said, she said. however I have been there, seen it, and have volunteered in a few clinics during my life. Let me tell you that the abortion docs i’ve met really truly care about women. and the women who have used their services have been eternally grateful to the docs. I don’t see self absorbed women at all on that website. It is a strong response to those who truly believe that women have post abortion crises, which is absolutely not true. In addition, when women confront the clump of cells, the reality is that they have already made a choice to abort.
    You can’t trust my family member with a choice. (you know, to look up and research risks, the truth about abortion, emotional aftermath, the procedure itself, to question the doctor thoroughly, ask about potential risks, etc…) how interesting that you want to trust her with a child.

  • @confused@revelife - Had she kept her baby, would you and/or your family helped her with her child? Given that you were there for her, I think it’s fair to say you would have helped…which is definitely good. Was adoption not an option? Could the baby not live with another family member who is more mature/capable than your family member in question? How interesting that abortion is the only option, or, so it seems.

    I am glad that your experiences have proven that not all abortion providers have been so heartless and deceitful. This still doesn’t change the fact that there are places that fail, for whatever reason, to give all the needed info.

    I do see self-absorbed women on that site. Women who unabashedly say they would have many more abortions in addition to the ones they’ve already had, disregarding the fact they are murdering new life. Women who are having sex before marriage with or without protection of any kind. “Self absorbed” and “murder” may be a strong terms to use, but they cover pretty much every attitude regarding their sexual activity and/or their choice to murder a child and lack of remorse.

    There appears to be an underlying mentality that permeates the argument for pro-choice/abortion, and a good friend of mine sums it up quite nicely. He left this comment on my Facebook post of this same blog article:

    “As I read this, I thought of how false and empty Ms Keenan’s argument really is, if you put it in another context. The sole point she stands on is simply, ‘anti-force’. Like this law is some kind of Gestapo, militant thing (even though it never revokes the right to choose). But if you consider it in light of drug companies that offer relief from certain ailments or problems, the argument backfires. Applied to them, Ms Keenan would seem to prefer that people suffering from something that a drug would potentially cure, should be able to get that drug, and not only get it, but should never be ‘troubled by the facts’ surrounding the use of that drug. She would have to argue that drug companies not be ‘forced’ to offer up label warnings because that would somehow be a horrible infringement on their freedom and the freedom of the people who want to use their drugs. Yes, I bet a lot of people would be willing to use approved drugs, even experimental drugs, because of the promise to get them out of pain. They might not want the info. But that doesn’t matter – the gov’t ‘forces’ drug companies to list the risks and side effects, so that no one who takes them isn’t well informed, while still not being denied the right to take them. I’m certain the situation is exactly the same for every medical procedure a doctor performs, from cancer treatment to all surgeries – again they are ‘forced’ to inform, and no one thinks this is some kind of police state measure - especially if the right to have the procedure is left untouched.”

    In light of my friend’s example of medical info on the drug packaging, wouldn’t it seem reasonable to conclude that, were such info not provided, how likely is it that everyone seeking relief from pain through such drugs would seek the needed info and also find all the needed info? Some people just don’t know what to ask about or look for. I can tell you that, in my Biblical studies, I know there is something I’m trying to find, but I don’t have the slightest idea how to explain what I’m looking for. As a result, I’m left without much needed understanding on a topic. On the same token, it’s unreasonable to assume that leaving it all up to the woman seeking an abortion will thoughtfully ask all the right questions and have a full understanding of the risks. Even the most caring doctors might accidentally neglect to give all the information, like leaving out a detail or two that would be quite important. So, through this bill, such risks are drastically reduced, if not eliminated.

  •    Wow okay I am a little confused. Is this bill argeeing that a fetus is alive from conception? If so then is this bill permitting murder?

    Lexine

  • @lexi@revelife - One of the very first tenants of the bill states that Texas recognizes the unborn, developing child as a human being.
    Seeing as the bill was spearheaded by pro-life advocates, I’m pretty sure that there is a strong feeling of murder done by abortion. However, the bill, itself, isn’t addressing the moral aspect of abortion so much as it is trying to offer a compromise. The idea is that if a woman is going to seek an abortion – to investigate it, at least – then she must be given all the information relavant to her potential choice. The bill isn’t designed to permit or oppose abortion; rather it’s meant to inform about abortion and the baby. Since abortion is still currently legal in many states (honestly, I’m not aware if abortion is a federally legal deal or not or if it’s on a per-state basis), and given the nature of this bill, it’s outside the context of this bill to say that this bill is permitting murder, but that, if abortion is legal, a woman must be given all the information about it. If abortion is illegal in Texas, then the passing of this bill would certainly raise a lot of ruckus.

    Does that help clear things up?

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